[Supertraining] Re: Counterintuitive Fatloss

Friday, 8 February 2008      0 comments

Kevin,

Good points all. Thanks. Kefir - excellent stuff. I give it to my kids every day!

Miguel Pérez
Reynosa, Mexico

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From: Supertraining@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Supertraining@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:01 PM
To: Supertraining@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Supertraining] Re: Counterintuitive Fatloss

Sorry, I got mixed up about who posted what about eggs.

As far as fiber being necessary, I guess that depends on necessary for
what. You could probably count on living long enough to breed with a
no-fiber diet, so I guess it isn't evolutionarily necessary. In terms
of my definition of basic health and quality of life, I consider it
necessary. It has been shown to improve GI health, regulate insulin
and glucose responses, reduce cardiac disease and cancer risks, and to
help prevent overeating by helping to make one feel full. I am
especially keen on the probable disease prevention benefit as my
father died of colon cancer at age 59.

Another way to think about it is simple common sense. Vegetables and
fruits have been staples of the human diet for as long as humans have
been - at least 100,000 years. We keep finding out more and more
about all the health-promoting substances in them - vitamins,
minerals, phytochemicals, etc... including fiber. It seems like a
good idea to eat them. This goes back to the simple principle that it
is better to eat in terms of foods and not nutrients. If you eat lots
of fruits, nuts, and vegetables, you'll get plenty of fiber along with
all the other good stuff, and won't ever have to think about fiber
again. Conversely, a no-fiber diet would necessarily be devoid of
unprocessed plant foods, and be deficient in a lot more than just fiber.

On the other hand, processed fiber-containing stuff like processed
grain foods, especially with concentrated bran additives, are an
extremely new invention, and there are some good reasons to think they
are hard to digest, non or anti-nutritious, and possibly even
approaching poisonous for many. I doubt the scientific findings about
health benefits I mentioned above went to a lot of trouble to test
fiber from different sources and in different overall dietary
contexts, so my bet is that the scientifically established benefits
represent a pretty substantial underestimation of the real world
benefits of eating lots of fruits, nuts, and vegetables.

My overarching principle of nutrition science is that there is way
more that we don't know than we do. It is in a relatively primitive
stage of development, and has been working with flawed paradigms for
most of its short existence. Because it has been largely based on
studying isolated nutrients and processed foods, most of what we do
know is of little practical importance to an individual trying to
decide what to eat. I consider any lack of nutrition science evidence
in this context, and stick with the big principles.

As far as GI upset issues go, increasing the unprocessed plant content
of your diet can cause temporary digestion problems. You either have
to transition slowly or wait until your body gets used to it. Once it
does, most people find lots of health problems disappearing,
especially GI problems.

Also, another thing I have found that irons out digestive problems to
a surprising extent is Kefir, a probiotic fermented milk drink. It
even did wonders for my dog. Start drinking some a few times per week
and your indigestion problems might be reduced, although I expect
reducing grain foods and other processed foods down to minimal levels
in your overall diet would help even more.

Kevin Wilbanks
Wisconsin, USA

--- In Supertraining@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Supertraining%40yahoogroups.com> , "Perez, Miguel"
<miguel.perez@...> wrote:
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> Kevin,
>
> It seems you are attributing to me a statement made by Glen, namely
that eggs take more energy to digest than they provide. What I did
say is that I can't agree with that very statement.
>
> You make a good point when you say I shouldn't assume that the
problem with whole-wheat bread and oatmeal resides in their fiber
content. In truth, I came to this conclusion empirically, as I
noticed that eating white bread before bed does not give me heartburn
while eating whole-wheat bread does. Since eating oatmeal at this
time will often result in heartburn as well (in my case), I went and
assumed that it was the fiber that did me in.
>
> I have indeed noticed that when I minimize or eliminate grains from
my diet, things tend to work much better. And, I agree that grains
are not the best food choice for humans.
>
> That said, I am not aware of any evidence or proof that fiber from
any source is essential.
>
>
> Miguel Pérez
> Reynosa, Mexico

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