[Supertraining] Re: Free weights versus machine weights

Sunday, 20 January 2008      0 comments

Hmm. What's more, we do actually change the line of the bench press by several degrees. The arching bench of a powerlifter actually does make the flat bench into a decline angle lift <grin> Thus shortening the lockout path.

No machine accurately mimics the true best and shortest path for a bench press - nor the J hook a good many lifters effectively use to lock out.

Mr. Landau, it is at this point I would ask you to provide us with the make, model, and descriptions of these alleged perfect fiting machines for all lifters, from short to tall.

The individual variance in bar path is something you find out from just watching people and observing. It is very difficult to set a machine properly that is in EVERYONE"s wheelhouse....watching people struggle with even the better Hammer Strength <trademark brand> machines tells the tale. Errors in seat height placement on their chest variations leads to bad form, straining, and basically a bad experience.

The machine fails to accommodate best "wheelhouse" for athletes of varying sizes. The forced arc on even the Hammer Strength is not proper to my bench motion for one example. When benching, you do your best to take the SHORTEST path to lockout. Hammer Strength, being the best of machines from my experience in this, forces me to elongate my path AND make it more circuitous than it is in my own bench! I'm not a J hooker. I'm a straight path from low sternal position.

the Phantom
aka Linda Schaefer, CMT, CSCS, competing powerlifter
Denver, Colorado, USA

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-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Nick Tatalias" <nick.tatalias@gmail.com>
"but try bench pressing at an angle 10 degrees either way from the norm and
see what happens."

Change the angle of the bench? Yes but the machine does not replicate the
line of the bench which starts just above your sternum and ends above your
mouth. The bench does not go in a straight line.

To equip a gym you need a bench, squat stand and a bar and discs. Machines
needed, many. Cost that one. My cell phone is a useful device, since the
advent of industrialised machines the list of redundant machines would be
long, just because a machine exists doesn't mean it is useful.

Regards
Nick Tatalias
Johennesburg
South Africa

On 19/01/2008, Exarchives@aol.com <Exarchives@aol.com> wrote:
>
> It is not necessarily the tool, but it is said the use of a tool.
> According
> to many here a barbell/dumbbell is a far superior tool than a machine. The
>
> fixed plain argument is always a favorite here, but try bench pressing at
> an
> angle 10 degrees either way from the norm and see what happens. Seems many
> in
> this group carry a certain bias against machines. If I took a few of your
> personal machines away from you, you would find life a little difficult -
> say for
> example your computer and your cell phone and replace them with an antique
>
> crank phone and a typewriter. Many machine designs are questionable, but
> the
> far most important factor is their USE as well as with "free weights."
> The suggested use of Olympic Lifting (Sport) for the supplementary
> training of athletes is just plain silly. Teaching the skill of hurling a
> barbell upward for football players is akin to teaching your swimmers
> blocking
> and tackling. If the swim coach was ever seen "coaching" his or her
> swimmers to
> do so, you could be sure the coach would be carted away by the men in
> white
> coats.
>
> David Landau,
> Aventura, Florida

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